This is the true heritage the Fundamental Baptists holds dear, there have always been assemblies which submitted themselves only to the sole authority of the Word of God. Someone, somewhere has hurt you. First I would disagree that The Church of Christ teaches first century, new testament doctrine. The Gospel is to be preached throughout the world by believers empowered by the Holy Spirit as Acts 1:8 plainly states. Independent, Fundamental, King James, Mission Minded Our Service Times Are: Sunday Morning Worship -. There have always existed, from the time of Christ, New Testament churches which were not a part of the Roman Church. Roger Williams is credited with founding the first Baptist church on American soil. 77. Lynne While I agree with most of your comment, I would be very interested in finding where Jesus teaches about tithing in the bible. Places Near Chandler, AZ with Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches. That local body of baptized believers would be as valid a true New Testament church as any church Christ ever founded. 5:23) and the Chief Shepherd )1 Peter 5:4). Sir, If you think women ought to wear pants, thats your prerogative. The ones Ive attend are really good. Thats why Paul advocated free will offerings (see 2 Corinthians 9). Jesus Peace, Joy, and Guidance be with us all. It lead me down a road that took me farther away from God rather than closer. Shall we simply eradicate all sermons about sin? "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am . VICTORY BAPTIST CHURCH. The Baptist bases his authority solely on the Bible itself. They should not be confused true Bible believing churches, because their beliefs and practices were much like the Church of England. God uses us, to the extent that get out of His way. He was a presbyter and former deacon in the Anglican church. Many Protestant denominations still hold to the writings of their church fathers as a source of church doctrine and have never accepted the Bible as their sole source of teachings for their faith and practice, which is a foundational teaching of Catholicism. 14) before the Lord Jesus announced the coming establishment of the ekklesia. (Matt 16:18). In only a few years however, the church had lost all but ten members to the Mennonites and other groups in Holland. Independent Baptist Churches is a subsite of IndependentBaptist.com. What Jesus is talking about in Matthew 5 is ceremonial law. Some of these churches have gone so far to even deny the fundamental teachings of the Bible, such as the deity of Christ, the virgin birth and salvation by the Grace of God, through faith. Please refer to the appropriate style manual or other sources if you have any questions. G.L. Because of persecution by the Anglican church of all who disagreed with it and who refused to agree to its authority, John Smyth had to flee England. The New Testament teaches that Christ is the head of the church,(Eph. The Puritans were dissenters from the Church of England. You seems to be as blind as the Pharisees. this is a great book research on cultist church But rather than ordaining ourselves mini-Holy Spirits we need to be faithful in our teaching, we need to teach repentance, and we need to leave the conviction of sin, righteousness and judgement to Almighty God. Most of the Anabaptists successors became the Mennonites, Amish and Quakers. That will suffice. In fact, I have no close friends that attend the same church as me. It cannot be stated too often that the importance of these churches was not in their name, but in what they believed and practiced. Further, he ignored the reading of the order of service and simply preached the Scriptures. This was the birth of Protestant churches. You are right, Jesus came to fulfill the law. My brother attends an IFB church. You are truly blind and I hope that you will one day see more clearly. In what areas? watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it In 1700, a Baptist minister, William Rhodes began to hold meetings on Long Island and in 1724 organized the first Baptist church there. Filter Churches. (David Benedict, A General History of the Baptist Denomination in American, and Other Parts of the World, London: Lincoln and Edmands, Nr. But I dont self-identify as a Baptist any longer, I simply say that Im a christian. Also, from personal expreicnei know how it feels to be spirtually abused. I liken this to attending a Bible study without your Bible. The Reformers were those who protested against certain abuses within the Roman Catholic Church. Shortly after that, Williams withdrew from the church and became what he called a seeker. History does not record why he would not identify himself as a Baptist. You should tithe, but if you dont thats between you and the Lord. Under grace we can give as much as we like. If you dont already, try it some time. Thats kind of like being an American and never knowing enough about the nations beginnings to be able to make an intelligent decision about whether some politician is leading us away from freedom. These churches patterned themselves strictly after the New Testament example, and this made them valid churches approved of God. People sin, and people attend churches. It is difficult to document these congregations because they were rarely in the spot light of history. Thank you. He has been an alcoholic, had been sexually abused in a Catholic orphanage, had lost his family, and had lost everything. I dont understand the context of your comment. The KJV is a wonderful translation and very valid for its time, and you, like many others love it for its beautiful shakesperean english. Share this: King James, Fundamental, Independent Baptist Resources. Just because everyone else is doing it doesnt mean its correct. THE BEGINNINGS OF THE BAPTISTS IN AMERICA. John 10:10, They do not accept that authority was given to any particular man, pope, prophet, group or church on earth to be the means of the salvation of men. They are the only group into modern times whose churches were founded on the Scriptures alone and not on the traditions or works of some man. He then baptized himself (which is not biblical) and then the others of his congregation. He became an outspoken Separatist or dissenter of the State church. Any idiot can do that. I do not agree with the IFB on their viewpoint of strict dress standards. Good job Greg!in reference to your reply to Rachel above. Ok so he starts attempting to pull the heart strings about loved ones that you are around daily, and if you are telling them enough about getting saved etc. They were just outside of the resort area on the beach at night and were stopped by a group of policemen. This means that IFB churches do not look to creeds, confessions, or church councils to determine their doctrinal positions. The old testement tithes went to the Levite priests to support them (Numbers 18). In 1906 there was a split with this group, some believing that there should be no musical instruments in the church (dont know where this got dreamed up, certainly didnt find it in the bible) This is when they started calling themselves the Churches of Christ. If that membership does not disqualify us I would say that we qualify as true baptists under your definition of the term. Even after Williams left it, it continued to follow the New Testament and was not adversely effected. It is in fact Gods Word in 17th century english. It bases its belief in the New Testament teaching that every believer is a priest to himself, having full excess to God without the need to go through a church, church leader or priest. There's only one way to heaven, and that . Independent Baptist churches (some also called Independent Fundamental Baptist or IFB) are Christian congregations, generally holding to conservative (primarily fundamentalist) Baptist beliefs. No church in the NT took that label. The Official Independent Baptist Rulebook, Known in Some Churches as Church Standards Thou shalt obey the pastor at all times Thou shalt obey all adults at all times if you are a child or teenager Thou shalt obey your husband at all times if you are a woman Thou shalt obey your parents at all times To call these people Baptists or Baptistic, in the sense the believed the Bible and followed it as their sole authority for faith and practice, in the same way true Baptist churches do today, is acceptable, although it serves no purpose. I humbly asked a question. They all hold to a system of hierarchy in church government and do not accept the autonomy the local church. Well originally Abraham initiated giving a tenth of his to the priest in the Melchizdeak order which was a type of Christ I believe. Smyth, believed the only real apostolic succession is a succession of Biblical New Testament truth, and not of outward ordinances and visible organization such as the Church of England or the Roman Church. Hear personal testimonies and watch missionary slideshows with RealAudio narratives. Hello, KJV Church Directory. Anyway at least once a year we set up a tent and have an old-fashioned revival. He was talking about ceremonial law not moral law I think you are confusing those two. He records that five hundred others who were identified as Anabaptists were also killed in England during this period. But not all Baptist churches are that way! King Ethelbert and his court, and a considerable part of his kingdom, were won over by the successful monk. He soon embraced Separatists ideas and decided to leave England. Those good Church of Christ folks, I have a few friends in that faith, good folks, but as youve so clearly pointed out, completley out in left field as it relates to musical instruments in the church. I really dont know how to describe it. I do however disagree with anyone mandating that a tenth should go to them & to the church as they see fit only (like giving some to other Christiann Ministries, some to local churche , etc) or that even mandates a tithe. After working for a few hours in our home, the Dish tech stopped working and looked at me asking, Am I correct in believing this is a Christian home I am working in? I said yes. The tourists and the police finally separated after hundreds of dollars changed hands. Thats NOT in the Bible anywhere! It is difficult to trace Baptist churches down through history. In other words, when the Bible speaks, the words have a literal meaning and that it the meaning God intended. Your reasoning is faulty. He, however, continued to preach by holding services in his own home. I still attend a tiny (20-30 on Sunday) Baptist Church, and yes it is IFB. The cops accused them of urinating in the water. His crime was that rejected the unbiblical ideas of a state church, infant baptism and other false teachings of the Puritans. Any professed church that does not recognize these is Apsotasy & not the Church. Join us for lively old-fashioned singing, fellowship, (and yes!) So I wonder again is this God desire or your thing? Again, its not about how we dress, but about who we are. Tithing is still a required act in obedience just like loving the Lord thy God and loving thy neighbor as thyself is. In 1663, Charles II, gave the colony a royal charter and it read: Our royal will and pleasure is, that no person within the said colony, at any time hereafter, shall be in any wise molested, punished disquieted, or called in question, for any differences of opinion in matters of religion, and do not actually disturb the civil peace of the said colony. I met him about 25 years ago and our spirits bore witness that we are the sons of God. Examples: Billy Graham, Promise Keepers. Dress codes are not the problems. The Second Coming: Jesus Christ is coming bodily to earth to rule and judge. John was beheaded by Herod (Matt. One Baptist church, however, did begin after 1714, in Surry Country, and another at Burleigh, Virginia. That made them in the eyes of God as legitimate a church as any Paul founded. About this time the Puritans were also becoming strong in England. The one caution I would give is to allow God to speak to you through the scriptures, that is the most critical. Its so important to ask Gods help in forgiving themotherwise satan can get a foothold. He said he could tell because I had a joyful spirit. He brings up the subject of God and church all the time. While every effort has been made to follow citation style rules, there may be some discrepancies. Our lives reflect the light of Christ. I have to chuckle every time I think about a comment our former IFB pastor said about lifestyle evangelism as he puts it. She eventually left because my uncle (divorced numerous times himself), rode her case about it. , Oak Harbor, Washington 98277). In 1678, shortly after the church had erected a new building, the Puritan controlled government nailed its doors shut and forbade anyone under penalty of the law to enter or worship there. Exposing the Dangerous Teachings and Traditions of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination Please scroll down to find a list of articles for your convenience. I appreciate your stand for the cause of Christ, and remember always to rely on the blessed Word of God to lead and guide you, there will be times perhaps, when someone you really look up to is promoting ideas that are not biblical and yet they try to use the bible to convince you of their veracity. fundamental, Baptist, church. Other churches founded in New England and in the Middle colonies were the actual mother churches of modern Baptist churches as these churches were responsible for starting other churches. Some Baptist churches believe in a succession of Baptist churches who passed down the authority to baptize and give the Lords Supper. Fortunately my current pastor, though still somewhat legalistic, has studied and understands that tithing was for Jews under the old covenant/law, Im just hoping he keeps studying about some other issues, but you know all of us are learning and growing (hopefully). Gilbert (7 miles) Higley (11 miles) Mesa (13 miles) Tempe (14 miles) Ahwatukee (14 miles) El Mirage (14 miles) More Types of Churches in Chandler. If you have any more questions or comments (as long as they are not rude), please feel free to email me again. Thanks but addressed all points. Still others rail about the same sin constantly, possibly out of their own guilt. I dont know awhole lot about the Episcopal church, but Im sure there are some wonderful folks there. A true New Testament church bases its faith, practice and authority solely in the Word of God. He is not nearly as fundy as where I left from, and is learning. Tithing preceded the OT Law. If people would only study the Word of God for themselves and stop being pew sitters and believe everything the pastor says of gospel truth theyd be able to spot a false doctrine/teacher a mile away. 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man . They many have been called by various names, before assemblies used the name Baptist. I understand what you are saying by the verses you referenced in John. As with any true New Testament church, its validity as a true church approved of God, does not, nor or ever did rest on its name or upon a succession of churches, but on its adherence to the principles of Gods Word. Anyone not holding Episcopal ordination was forbade to hold services. Thank you for your help! So, IT IS in the New Testament! All Independent Baptist Church The Road to Emmaus Baptist Church - Monaca, PA No Reviews Favorite Claimed? However, history is clear that in the beginning and into the 9th Century there were churches in Britain that rejected pedo-baptism, popery and other false doctrines of the Catholics. He did not belong to, nor was part of the any ekklesia. Yes he baptized, but His baptism was the baptism of repentance (Matt. From there, entering into an IFB church really gave me a culture shock. The sole authority for any true church is Gods Word and not it founder, or its heritage. Clearly, he was banished because he believed in religious freedom and believed and taught the New Testament was a believers sole source for his faith and practice. I love your statement above about The Grace economy I think Im going to have to borrow it. That saintly old woman in the pew may be depending upon her infant baptism to get her to heaven. Two champions of religious liberty were the Virginians Thomas Jefferson and Patrick Henry. I immediatley thought that my God must be alot bigger than his. https://www.victorybaptistharvey.com victorybaptistharvey@gmail.com. Something else to note here, what were they tithing? He strongly believed in separation of church and state and upheld the principles of soul liberty. Northwest Bible Baptist Church is an old-fashioned, independent, fundamental Baptist church in Elgin, IL that believes, preaches, and practices the Bible. Christs death ushured in teh New Covenant where ceremonial law for the remission of sin is replaced with grace and mercy. ABSOLUTELY we teach tithing if you dont want to give a tenth back to the God that saved your soul from hell, then I wonder if youve met the same God that I have. 2 . They have a 1st Amendment right to speak their mind, but that doesnt mean shouting down a preacher at a military funeral. The acapella voices were very beautiful, and I knew she would have enjoyed hearing them. The pastor is a self-taught, good man. Lack of pastoral accountability is not the problem. It should be free. I just wanted you to know that I have made the decision to leave the IFB. The name Protestant was given to those churches which came out of Roman Catholicism during the Reformation which began in the 1500s. Each year members profess 16 articles of faith that include the original five points of fundamentalismthe literal truth of divinely inspired scripture, the Virgin Birth and deity of Christ, substitutionary atonement through Christ, the Resurrection, and the Second Coming of Christ. I loved what you said about knowing the nature of God. Whether these groups of believers called themselves Baptists or not, if they were doctrinally pure, following the New Testament for their faith and practice they were New Testament churches and thus they can be called Baptistic. A storm of persecution broke out because these Baptist preached what the Puritans called damnable errors. Most of the members of the church were fined or imprisoned or both, at one time or another. Nowhere in the Bible do I see that Christians are recognized by their clothing. In 1688 a Baptist church was organized at Pennepeck, Pennsylvania with twelve members. Member churches are forbidden to affiliate with any denomination, and the fellowship, administered by annually elected trustees, cannot . Baptist continued to grow in numbers through the period of the Great Awakening and up to the time of the Revolutionary War. (See Acts 20:28, Hebrews 13:7). Lynne- Thanks for clearing that up. In fact, no church on earth can make that claim. A prime example of the dangers of belonging to a convention is seen in the apostate Southern Baptist Convention. I do attend the Church of Christ. Independent Fundamental Baptist churches have fellowship one with the other and often cooperate in such things as evangelism. -How do you determine whether or not a church teaches or practices false doctrine? The church government of many Independent Baptist churches are to have pastors and deacons as officers of the local church. Hi Ahlayashabi Please forgive us if we have offended you in any way. They were in fact churches founded on the same New Testament principles that modern day Baptists traditionally founded their churches. The business is listed under baptist church category. I think it is exactly right to see that without divine drawing, no one ever would come to Christ. Its derived from two possible origins: 1. Thus, resolving to follow the Lords commands in truth, in March, 1639 he formed the first Baptist church on American soil. I grew up in a Catholic church and boarding school, then was taken out and placed into Lutheran surroundings. Firstly, they take a denominational name: Baptist. Unfortunately I am relatively new to this denomination; I do not know how much authority they have over my individual church. I admitted, in my comment, that I was somewhat caustic in my writing (I could definitely get better in that department) but I re-read what I wrote and didnt think it was horrible. I believe the all scripture is given. passage to include the Old Testament, too. You stated that all churches tithe a certain way and used that fact to justify a way of thinking. If I wanted to tithe I wouldnt know where to go, because tithes were paid to a levitical priest. You either comply or you are thrown out. But this article simply exposes the Baptist system as just another denomination among tens of thousands. One can be feed, clothed , housed & grow up lost & will die but the Gospel offers Eternal Life! They left these churches because of their strong conviction the Word of God should not be compromised. Biblical Mandate for BaptistDeception.com. Follow us on Pinterest: But we need YOUR help to make this project successful! And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. Surely, no church that practiced false doctrine, as many of these groups did, can in truth be called a Baptist church. I began my spiritual walk with Jesus studying the New Testament, but my journey through the Old Testament only reinforced my belief in the New and showed me more about God. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. He is only one of many such godly men who would not compromise the truth. In the simplest of terms a true Baptist assembly is one which follows the New Testament as his sole authority for his faith and practice. The message is set. I find it difficult sometimes to keep Gods sovereignty and my responsibility in balance. Both are true and one doesnt cancel out the other. , Oak Harbor, Washington 98277) Under the Roman Catholic influence these missionary centers diverged into monasticism. You dont study enough. You will find, to the left, a tags cloud as well as a category drop down menu. This again cannot be proven from history. Back in England these men, on returning to England, formed the first recorded Baptist church on English soil. As for being responsible to share the gospel with those whom God has put in our path; our daily life should show we are different by our character and the way we live. 6:30, Titus 1:9-11, II Tim. If it furthers & advances the Kingdom of God (the Church, Evangelism, Missionaries, etc), then I believe it is going to God. Nor can I know the heart of those I preach to. It seems like in the church I personally attended, that the powertrip I saw actually stemmed from a total lack of outside maturity from the church in general. mint, rue and all manner of herbs all agricultural products from the land. KJB,UNAFFILIATED. That means every church service must provide a time for people to come to Christ. Every activity, every thing we do, needs to uplift King Jesus, and it must allow for winning precious people to our Lord. Many men have suffered and given their fortunes and their lives to hold the name in truth. This was the best onemembers in our church raise hands, say amen, clap after special music (GASP! Church Directory Sub-pages. Comprized of many nationalities and backgrounds, the secret of successat CR, is that this is a Bible Chuch revolving around King Jesus. 7. Baptist also believe the Bible interprets itself, and that Christ is the only head of the church. PEOPLE are the problem! NOT ONE. Well last night the first speaker, spoke on Hell, he said not many preach on Hell anymore (yea, right!) It has received 39 reviews with an average rating of 4.7 stars. 3.) The New Testament teaches the absolute autonomy of each local church who is to govern itself as the Word of God instructs free from outside authority and control. Churches dont have the right to make rules about dress apart from Scriptural guidelines and principles. Wives Submit Deception Revisited Exploration of Ephesians 5:21, 74. Memoirs of a Recovering Fundamentalist, 55. It is not historically correct to identify Baptists as Catholic protestors who left the Roman church. The new testament says Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. that pretty much destroys the idea of someone being forced to give. Although we gladly accept donations offered it is not required. Typically they take the following verse an stretched it like a balloon: Please see the Tithing Deception and Tithe 10% or Get Punished articles for more information. There were however, many Baptists who loved the Word of God and held true to it and refused to abandon teaching the New Testament. Our pastor has NEVER once insinuated that the church ought to obey him. True New Testament Christians have always rejected such unbiblical ideas. ANyone who wont give to thie ronw family or help the place where they go to felloship togther (bills etc) is pretty lousy I think & no amount of preaching it will probally make a differenc eunless God pricks thier hearts. The church government of many Independent Baptist churches are to have pastors and deacons as officers of the local church. 13:17, Acts 20:28, Eph. There was a fine of 2000 pounds of tobacco for failure to have ones infant children baptized. The Pharisees tithed on all their belongings. Protestants still practice infant baptism which is not taught in the Word of God. I love the way David Hayword (aka The nakedpastor) explains some of the problem. Jesus didnt find it necessary to dress differently than anyone else, why should the MOG? Everyone wanted attention from the pastor and never left the man alone to truly study Gods Word. He showed me a . Shall we offer excuses that were only human? When a congregation results from the preaching of the Gospel, authenticating that congregation as a New Testament church rests solely on its doctrine and practice.not in its affiliation. Baptists have always been the champions of the Word of God and preaching of the Gospel. KJV Bibles are the best translations because they do not take out the blood of Jesus from scripture as the other versions along with other things. Examine any church in light of these five distinctive it will be shown if they are true historical Baptist congregation which is synonymous with what is a true biblical New Testament church. In determining who were the first Baptists, you must first identify who you are referring to. CALVARY BAPTIST CHURCH. 74. These New Testament believers rejected every attempt to include them in with the other churches who compromised and accepted the Roman governments money, rule and authority. My sister left the church years ago and is living in sin (even by the standards of other denominations so please dont take it out of context), but I talk to her every day. Suppose an airplane flew over some isolated country that had no past or present contact with anyone else in the world. Read More. It is important to note too, that each Believer must be passionate about winning lost folks to Christ. The IFBs always point fingers at the Catholics, but the Baptist faith is loaded with the traditions of men, I guess its kind of hard to escape. Also, I support tithing personally. Some IFB are good fellowships, some Plymouth Brethren Open) are good fellowships..etc. No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day., Based on the Word of God, I submit to you that Gods plan will not be thwarted because I fail to do something. She is not shunned. They say they hold to the NT pattern, and yet, they do not. Although, this was the first Baptist church to be founded on American soil there is no recorded offspring from this church and modern American Baptist churches can not trace their history directly to it. For example, we had Dish installed in our home a few weeks ago. I personally do not think tithing is wrong, When Jesus refers to tithing didnt He uphold it & only objected to other sins but did not speak aganist it. She even gave me a monetary gift when I had no money for food. Christians under the grace economy give out thankfulness to God for what Christ has done for them, without any compulsion. The Revolutionary War for some time slowed the growth of Baptist churches. He began by baptizing himself and then baptizing ten other members. Greetings, It originally applied through the 1700s to Lutherans, and Anglicans. The Dutch colony of New York for a time persecuted Baptists within its territories. KJB. These five distinctive beliefs separate the true Baptists from other groups who have mistakenly taken the name Baptist and all non New Testament churches such as the Protestants. Many Anabaptists churches were strong New Testament churches believing and following the Word of God. They were then tarred and feathered and ran out of the county. On May 28, 1665, a Baptist church was founded in Boston, by Thomas Gould, who refused to accept infant baptism. It is the Word of God, the Bible, that makes up what is a real and true church! Its is true that many Baptists left the ranks of Protestant churches which were doctrinal unsound and apostate. Up to this time Williams was not a Baptist. One of the last acts of the Presbyterians, before the Long Parliament in England fell, was to past a law passing the death penalty on anyone who was caught holding to what they called Eight Errors in Doctrine. These doctrines included infant baptism.